Friday, December 11, 2009

I Love December, America Too

As we are nearing the end of the year, that means it's Time for Xmastime to Pat Himself on the Back Time.  Which means that in reading this post linked by Sully,
[Obama] showed that he understands just what Truman meant. Because he understands, in a way Cheney and Palin never will, that true moral universalism requires recognizing that Americans are just as capable of evil as anyone else. And that means recognizing that we are in just as much need of restraint. For Obama and Truman, the paradox of American exceptionalism is that only by recognizing that we are not inherently better than anyone else, and thus must bind our power within a framework of law, can we distinguish ourselves from the predatory powers of the past.

 to which I can't help but shrug my shoulders and simply say well, all this means is Obama is listening to Xmastime
A coupla months I wrote HERE:
I found UG's post HERE interesting because of BayonneMike's comment; a comment I have either read or heard both on tv, in print and from many friends. My own thinking is we won't really understand how the rest of the world works until we shed this notion that we are automatically the GOOD GUYS and anyone else that doesn't think so is automatically the BAD GUYS. That's a simple enough point that I would assume was not debuted just now. But a further point I myself have never seen or heard anywhere else is how important it is for us to recognize that the "bad guys" don't see themselves as the bad guys, like some old Spy vs. Spy "oh, you got me, good guy!" comic strip. They think they ARE the good guys, which we as a country seem to always miss. They're not thinking "the USA is so great, we should play the parts of evil just to be evil and antagonize them as much as possible."

Now, either side thinking they're the good guy doesn't make it so. But until we really start asking ourselves what different peoples from different parts of the world really want and why, we'll always be stuck in our childish "We're Luke Skywalker and they're Darth Vader" nonsense which doesn't seem to really be accomplishing much of anything.

One phrase I saw Krauthammer use twice in this article is ""You do what you have to do." Which to me is a BRILLIANT thing for the USA to advertise; you know who else has the same "You do what you have to do" credo? People that fly planes into buildings. People that blow up pizza places. Now, from Krauthammer's dramatics we are led to believe that when we "do what we have to do" it's the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs. What does that tell you about the people who would fly planes into buildings? Slice heads off on YouTube? These are kids who are on their first day as "bad guys"?

Maybe instead of operating from a gung-ho jingoistic nonsensical point of view we can really ask ourselves what DO these people want? Maybe instead of being obstinate dumbfucks because there's someone from a country that isn't waving the American flag, we can start out in the first inning, with no outs and nobody on instead of waiting until it's Game 7 of the World Series, and then we get pissed off cause some Muslims we've blown off blow up a Cub Scout troop. Yeah they're crazy, but guess what - they think YOU'RE crazy! Who's right? Nobody. Now do we wanna have an adult conversation with people, or wait until they've decided to send some planes into more buildings? Or, as they might say, "You do what you have to do."
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28 comments:

Anonymous said...

Jesus, if you don't know what these people want at this point, you've got your head so far up your ass, it's not even worth having a conversation. "Nobody" is right?! You were drunk when you wrote that, right? Don't you fucking get it?! They don't want to have an "adult conversation" with us! Should we have had an "adult conversation" with the Nazis? Have you seen the HBO documentary on the Mumbai attack? I recommend you watch it and then tell me that these people can be reasoned with.

Xmastime said...

I’m flattered you think of me that way, but I am not, in fact, Jesus. Thanks for reading!

Marley said...

It's a standard philosophical divide (universalist v. exceptionalist). An exceptionalist says, "There is nothing to discuss with these people. We must defend against them, not undersatnd them." A universalist says "we must understand their fears, be accountable for our own actions that may have driven them to violence, and work to find a common dialogue."

There's also a healthy dose of First-world Noam Chomsky self-loathing, a palpable sense that because of our excess and success, we engender the blowback of an outraged Third World citizenry.

Luckily, these childish concepts are relegated to academia and this blog.

Xmastime said...

XMAS: Marley, you got spunk.
MARLEY: Well, THANK you, Xmastime!
XMASTIME: I HATE spunk!

Marley said...

You just keep chasing that dream of communing with the Lakota and I'll keep collecting scalps.

Xmastime said...

We gotta write a movie about you as the insufferably snooty next-door neighbor with manservants and bald eagle rugs

Marley said...

Can I have Billy Bob Thornton's girlfriend in Bad Santa?

Xmastime said...

ive never seen that picture. how bout Jessie Spano from Saved by the Bell?

Anonymous said...

Even Obama disagrees with Xmastime: "Negotiations cannot convince al Qaeda's leaders to lay down their arms."

Xmastime said...

actually, dumbass, Obama agrees with me re: exhausted diplomacy is the only reason to enter into a war. NOT blasting through the world thumping our chests just cause we say we can. learn to read words that are printed on paper, or on a computer screen, you ignorant fuck. i'd suggest you eat a bag of dicks, but apparently you're such a fucking idiot you'd read that wrong too.

Anonymous said...

Do you even read what you post, dipshit, or do you just type in a constant drunken stupor? How can I eat a bag of dicks if you've already consumed the entire bag for lunch (5580 calories), ya big fat fuck!

Xmastime said...

you can ask your boyfriend to shit the ones stuffed up his ass, you stupid fucking shit. ooooh, look, something shiny over here!! jump, little kitty! jump!

Anonymous said...

You're not even making sense, dickwad! The dicks are in your gut, not my boyfriend's ass, shit for brains (I also like how Mr. Gay Marriage turns homophobe at the drop of a hat). Are you hallucinating now? I hear "wet brain" will do that to you.

Xmastime said...

hey, at least something's going TO my brain, dumbass. "MUST FIGHT TERRORISTS!!! SHOW THEM WHO'S THE BOSS!! HI!! I'M STUPID!!! HI! IM STOOPID!!"

Anonymous said...

"MUST HAVE ADULT CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KILL ME!" Moronic. How 'bout stepping up and nominating yourself Ambassador to al Qaeda, big guy? It's not like you got anything else going on and it just might get your throat slit.

Marley said...

Obama

“I face the world as it is, and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people. For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world.”

Xmastime

"Maybe instead of operating from a gung-ho jingoistic nonsensical point of view we can really ask ourselves what DO these people want? Maybe instead of being obstinate dumbfucks because there's someone from a country that isn't waving the American flag, we can start out in the first inning, with no outs and nobody on instead of waiting until it's Game 7 of the World Series, and then we get pissed off cause some Muslims we've blown off blow up a Cub Scout troop. Yeah they're crazy, but guess what - they think YOU'RE crazy! Who's right? Nobody."

Obama may agree with you on dicks in a bag, or the ranking of "Dr. Robert," but on this issue at hand, thankfully, you two are Balki Bartokomous and Larry Appleton.

Xmastime said...

A credo of "Who's right? Nobody" is not a bad choice if you're trying to nail a hairy, militant freshman from Skidmore (presuming her quest to "have an adult conversation" hasn't resulted in forced genital mutilation).

Outside of that narrow circumstance, it has little utility.

Marley said...

Alright.

Xmastime didn't say that.

But he should have.

Xmastime said...

the quote from Obama I quoted was about the concept of Americasn Exceptionalism. of which Obama and I both believe the same thing: just putting on a flashy red cape and shouting that we're the best! is childish and counterproductive. And Anonymous, who has synapse problems I guess, jumped IMMEDIATELY to "we hafta kick their ass before they kick ours!!!! cause we're AMAZING!!!" read the quote I first posted on. everything after that has been tangental. ie, "SOS."

Xmastime said...

but you do get a bonus for the perfect strangers riff

Xmastime said...

never been with a genital mutilator :(

Xmastime said...

Martin Short can play you in our "Manservants" sitcom!!!!! my dream come true. Clifford playing Marley. dreams, colliding!!!!!

Marley said...

You're always the victim, Brenda.

No one made you write, "Yeah they're crazy, but guess what - they think YOU'RE crazy! Who's right? Nobody."

I'm confident Obama's beef with American exceptionalism is not kin to your concept of global equivalence.

Marley said...

http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/lauren-graham-bad-santa-movie-premiere-0QfgPI.jpg

(Bad Santa girl)

Xmastime said...

we'll cut in old snippets of Thurston Howell III as your best friend! :)

Xmastime said...

lg dont really do it for me. but you want her, you got her

Anonymous said...

Is there any way you can make the Comments section the first page and put your posts in the Comments section? It would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Xmastime said...

now thats funny